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19. "RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul..."
02-13-04, 20:18z 

> So a plane could fly at 6500 along most of V21 from Catalina (KSXC) to
> Seal Beach (SLI), then at 2500 along V23 to the 308 (128+180) radial
> inbound to SMO (includes the mini route)?

Yes, you could do that. But let's not get too caught up in flight planning that we forget that we're flying VFR here. As such, you can simply fly a heading or SXC radial outbound to intercept the mini-route.


> I see 100/80 (S of San
> Pedro)and 100/70 (W of Hunington Pier)notations in what appear to be the
> same airspace boundries most of V21 goes through. With single color
> printing in the book I'm not sure if any of the other airspace layer
> information applies in the imediate area of the Seal Beach VOR.

Those indicate the LAX Class B airspace. So yes, you need to avoid these bits of airspace except for the portion that the mini-route crosses.


> Since I would be using the flight planner that comes with the simulator
> I would probably use Intersection VPCAR as a waypoint and advise pilots
> to intercept the 308 radial to SMO and use radio navigation for the leg
> from the vicinity of VPCAR to SMO. The whole exercise would be for
> sightseeing purposes, since the overwater V27 would be a shorter route
> towards KSBP.

Understood.


> Would single engine planes normally go for as much altitude as clears
> the overhead airspace during the over water leg of such a flight, to
> give them more glide range in the event of engine failure?

Let's look at this in two parts: The first and most important issue is safety. When overflying water, you should plan your cruise altitude to give you as chance to gliding to land in case of an engine failure as you can. So the cruise altitude would vary based on the glide performance of the aircraft. (My good friend and first flight instructor was lost over V-27 in the area we're talking about, so this subject hits close to home for me.)

The second issue is airspace. If you're on an IFR flight plan, crossing Class B is not an issue. Conversely, if you're VFR, then yes, you'd need to cross above 10,000'. However, V-27 + V-25 is outside of LAX Class B, so any VFR cruise altitude would be acceptable, but not necessarily safe.

We should probably break this out into another thread is there is more to discuss.

Hope this helps!

Ben


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  Subject      Author      Message Date     ID   
  Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Multipl...    RobertVA      02-08-04       
     RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   vgbaron[Sysop]      02-08-04      1   
        RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   RobertVA[Lead]      02-09-04      3   
             RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   vgbaron[Sysop]      02-10-04      4   
                  RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   RobertVA[Lead]      02-10-04      5   
                       RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-10-04      6   
                       RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   vgbaron[Sysop]      02-11-04      7   
                            RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   tb[Lead]      02-11-04      8   
                                 RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   RobertVA[Lead]      02-13-04      17   
                       RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-12-04      9   
                            RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   RobertVA[Lead]      02-12-04      10   
                                 RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-12-04      11   
                                      RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-12-04      12   
                                           RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-13-04      15   
                                                RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-13-04      18   
                                                     RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-15-04      22   
                                                          RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-15-04      24   
                                                               RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-19-04      26   
                                                                    RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-20-04      28   
                                           RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   RobertVA[Lead]      02-13-04      16   
                                                RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...    Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-13-04      19   
                                 RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-13-04      14   
                                      RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-13-04      20   
                                           RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-15-04      23   
                                                RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   Ben_Chiu[Admin]      02-15-04      25   
                                                     RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   PL965Melo[Crew]      02-19-04      27   
     RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   andor[Lead]      02-09-04      2   
     RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   tb[Lead]      02-13-04      13   
     RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   andor[Lead]      02-14-04      21   
        RE: Proposed Route Feb 15 0300z Mul...   DylanK[Crew]      02-24-04      29   

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