Airplanes and Women

Airplanes can kill you quickly - a woman takes her time.
Airplanes can be turned on by a flick of a switch.
Airplanes don't get mad if you 'touch and go.'
Airplanes don't object to a preflight inspection.
Airplanes come with manuals to explain their operation.
Airplanes have strict weight and balance limits.
Airplanes can be flown any time of the month.
Airplanes don't come with in-laws.
Airplanes don't care about how many other airplanes you have flown
before.
Airplanes and pilots both arrive at the same time.
Airplanes don't mind if you like to look at other airplanes.
Airplanes don't mind if you buy airplane magazines.
Airplanes expect to be tied down.
Airplanes don't comment on your piloting skills.
Airplanes don't whine unless something is really, really wrong.

However, when airplanes go quiet, just like women, it's a bad thing.

***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation***
Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial.

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• RE: Women and Airplanes,Emile, 16:16z, 03-22-02
  • RE: Women and Airplanes,Ben Chiu, 22:38z, 03-22-02
    • RE: Women and Airplanes,TD, 22:57z, 03-23-02
      • RE: Women and Airplanes,James, 00:37z, 03-31-02
  • RE: Women and Airplanes,jerryrosie, 13:26z, 03-23-02
• RE: Women and Airplanes,alanpugh, 12:42z, 03-25-02
  • RE: Women and Airplanes,jerryrosie, 13:03z, 03-25-02
    • RE: Women and Airplanes,AlanParkinson, 00:35z, 03-26-02
      • RE: Women and Airplanes,Ben Chiu, 02:54z, 03-26-02
      • RE: Women and Airplanes,jerryrosie, 15:39z, 03-26-02
        • RE: Women and Airplanes,AlanParkinson, 19:58z, 03-26-02
          • RE: Women and Airplanes,jerryrosie, 13:42z, 03-27-02
• RE: Women and Airplanes,DeeWaldron, 22:53z, 03-25-02

Hello all, this is a real one :
In Scotland at the entrance of the Club House ,on some golf courses ,you can still read "NO DOGS, NO WOMEN" ()

This is not nice!()

Regards
Emile
EBBR

> In Scotland at the entrance of the Club House ,on some golf courses ,you
> can still read "NO DOGS, NO WOMEN" ( )

That's so bizzare. I like women! Well, maybe not women that look like dogs... Perhaps that's what they meant.

If not, then again, it'd depend on the kind of dog!

Ben

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>>That's so bizzare. I like women! Well, maybe not women that look like dogs... Perhaps that's what they meant.

If not, then again, it'd depend on the kind of dog! <<

Most Scotsmen seem to like big, long-haired collies... narrow faces, interested eyes, and an eagerness to go out and chase sheep with their master... That is as far as I am going with that

"TD - Virtual FAA investigators are on line 2, AGAIN!!!"

Yo TD,

>> That is as far as I am going with that <<

Thought as much coming from you

What's up, lost yer bottle <LOL>. Remember this IS a Scotsman <s>

Regards,

James
*** Wishing you all lots of pleasant and enjoyable flights ***

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> Hello all, this is a real one :
> In Scotland at the entrance of the Club House ,on some golf courses ,you
> can still read "NO DOGS, NO WOMEN" ( )
>
> This is not nice!()

Yeah! What's wrong with dogs?!?!

***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation***
Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial.

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Very funny, Jerry. Good one.

Are you still taking lessons for the Private Pilot
Rating?

Alan

> Very funny, Jerry. Good one.
>
> Are you still taking lessons for the Private Pilot
> Rating?

Unfortunately the school closed, my CFI moved on to greener pastures and I ran out of money but, I am exploring the possibility of moving to Ultra lights. With the possibility of the FAA recognizing the new "Sports Pilot" category, allowing a holder to carry one passenger, this should meet all my needs with some reduction in the cost it takes to maintain the license and the aircraft..... Will know more in a couple of months - close by air park is holding a flyin for Father's Day and I hope to attend to see if I can make any contacts....

***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation***
Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial.

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Hi Jerry,

>I am exploring the possibility of moving to Ultra lights.

Hey, great news! I'm an old time ultralight (well, here we call 'em microlights) flyer, and believe me they are FUN to fly.

I think the rules are very different on each side of the pond, here they are treated very much like any other aircraft - "Permit to Fly" required (a slightly relaxed airworthiness ticket), Pilot's license, aircraft are registered and carry the standard G-.... lettering on the wings. How does the system work over there?

Alan (regretting the day I ran out of money and stopped flying)

Greetings Alan:

> I think the rules are very different on each side of the pond, here they
> are treated very much like any other aircraft - "Permit to Fly" required
> (a slightly relaxed airworthiness ticket), Pilot's license, aircraft are
> registered and carry the standard G-.... lettering on the wings. How
> does the system work over there?

The FAA is still working on the details, but what they have proposed so far can be found here http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/index.cfm

The FAA will open an online forum on April 1, regarding the stickier points of the new category proposal and will accept comment through April 19. The forum is at http://www.rulemakingpublicforum.com

Ben

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> Hi Jerry,
>
> >I am exploring the possibility of moving to Ultra lights.
>
> Hey, great news! I'm an old time ultralight (well, here we call 'em
> microlights) flyer, and believe me they are FUN to fly.
>
Hey Great! if I can pull this off, I'll probably be asking you for tips and advice! What type of aircraft did you fly?

> I think the rules are very different on each side of the pond, here they
> are treated very much like any other aircraft - "Permit to Fly" required
> (a slightly relaxed airworthiness ticket), Pilot's license, aircraft are
> registered and carry the standard G-.... lettering on the wings. How
> does the system work over there?

Ultralights (microlights) are covered in Part 103 of the Regs and are limited in weight, speed, and the amount of fuel they are allowed to carry. This somewhat limits to long cross countries, but, on the other hand, it adds to the spirit of adventure in making a longer than normal trip As an indication of how little regulation there is, Part 103 takes only two pages out of a 397 page document

They are limited to daylight VFR flying and are restricted from flying over congested areas and prior permission is required before operating in controlled airspace.

The pilots are, at present, essentially uncontrolled but, the USUA (US Ultralight Association), a nongovernmental organization, has assumed the role of "self policing" and advocates 'registration'. This requires compliance with a training regimen, conducted by one of their 'certified' BFIs (Basic Flight Instructor) and passing an oral, written and practical test in flying one of these machines. This 'registration' is supposed to grant certain privileges as to what airports you can fly into and out of, but I can't speak to the accuracy of that statement at this time. The biggest difference is that a fight physical is not required and the pilot's medical ability to fly is left up to the pilot himself/herself. You are supposed to be mature enough to ground yourself if you develop a medical condition that would be dangerous for you to fly. This only makes sense to me and it does bypass the hassle of convincing a flight doc that your blood pressure is under control every two years.... What you give up for the relaxed regulations is that you can only fly yourself, no passengers, and the use of any ultralight carrying more than one person for other than instructional purposes is in violation of the regulations... (They even go so far to spell out that a BFI can fly his two place vehicle while actually instructing or while proceeding to or from a place where he will be instructing. So one could not get certified by USUA as an instructor and buy a two placer and use it for his own flying)

The airplane is considerably less expensive to own and maintain as much of the work can be done by the owner without paying high labor charges to a certified mechanic. I have no idea about insurance rates as yet, but I would expect that they would be less expensive than for a larger aircraft.

I am really looking forward to my first U-Light ride....

***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation***
Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial.

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Hi Jerry,

>Hey Great! if I can pull this off, I'll probably be
>asking you for tips and advice! What type of aircraft did
>you fly?

The one really obvious piece of advice is wrap up warm!!! It gets pretty damn cold up there. And in such light machines, you do have to be able to read the weather correctly.

What type? When I was flying there was a strong divide across the Atlantic. US pilots tended to fly mainly conventional looking, but extremely light aircraft, known as "3-axis", whilst this side of the pond we tended to fly almost exclusively the "weight-shift" type - a fairly standard hang-glider wing with a tricycle unit beneath, carrying the engine, pilot and a set of wheels. I flew the latter. I've a feeling that these have become more common over there now.

I had 18 hours experience in PA28s before switching to microlights, so I was very concerned at the potential danger of the completely reversed control movements, before my first flight. (Push the control bar forward to raise the nose, push the bar to the left to bank right, left foot forward to turn right on the ground) In practise, there was absolutely no difficulty converting, but I was taught by the reigning World Champion at the time.

By the way, when we decided to call them "microlights" rather than the US "ultralight", we weren't trying to be superior, the term ultralight was already being used by our Popular Flying Association (equivalent of your EAA) for a lightweight category of home-built aircraft.

>Ultralights (microlights) are covered in Part 103 of the
>Regs and are limited in weight, speed, and the amount of
>fuel they are allowed to carry.

I don't know if fuel capacity is limited here, but there is a maximum weight which effectively limits fuel.

>it adds to
>the spirit of adventure in making a longer than normal
>trip

I know what you mean, I well remember the thrill on completing an out and return trip of only 30 miles each way.

>They are limited to daylight VFR flying and are restricted
>from flying over congested areas and prior permission is
>required before operating in controlled airspace.

Similar, but here no VFR flight is permitted in controlled airspace, whatever the aircraft. Anyway, do you really want to be operating a 40 knot aircraft alongside 350 knot jets? (Actually, I did once fly into a real airport, and taxied past several 737s - goodness knows what the passengers thought as this little contraption puttered past - I was terrified that their jet blast would blow me away)

>What
>you give up for the relaxed regulations is that you can
>only fly yourself, no passengers, and the use of any
>ultralight carrying more than one person for other than
>instructional purposes is in violation of the
>regulations...

That's harsh, two-seaters are now the rule rather than the exception here.

>The airplane is considerably less expensive to own and
>maintain as much of the work can be done by the owner
>without paying high labor charges to a certified mechanic.

Again similar rules apply here.

You'll either love it or hate it, I loved it.

Alan

> The one really obvious piece of advice is wrap up warm!!! It gets pretty
> damn cold up there.

Yes...it does seem like a summertime only activity While I was still involved in PPL training, a crew who were leading a group of Sand Cranes from Canada to winter grounds in South Carolina (teaching them the migration route) landed at Carlisle. Interesting talking with them and I did note that they were all dressed for 'arctic conditions'.

> By the way, when we decided to call them "microlights" rather than the
> US "ultralight", we weren't trying to be superior, the term ultralight
> was already being used by our Popular Flying Association (equivalent of
> your EAA) for a lightweight category of home-built aircraft.

Actually, both terms are used pretty much interchangeably over here....

> That's harsh, two-seaters are now the rule rather than the exception
> here.

I agree - one of the attractions of flight is to be able to take 'trips' and going alone reduces the fun by a great amount. If adopted, the new 'Sports Pilot' category well eliminate this drawback while retaining most of the advantages of the unregulated ultralight permissions.

> You'll either love it or hate it, I loved it.

I am looking forward to my first experience! Getting more impatient as the days go by, but, the weather is still a bit chilly here - I'm not sure I'll be able to wait for the flyin in June however

***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation***
Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial.

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ROFLMAO !!!

Dee Waldron (HJG)