I was flying multiplayer with a friend last night, and he said that he had the new scenery mesh for Virgina/W.Va. installed. I wanted to get that also so I went to flightsim.com and found it (where he said it was). It was listed for FS2000. Is there any potential problem installing this mesh in FS2002? Or are mesh files interchangable without updating?

Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com

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HI Rick,

They're interchangable. If you like the 153m mesh you downloaded, you'll *love* the 76m mesh CDs at FSGenesis.

Justin
http://www.fsgenesis.com

>I was flying multiplayer with a friend last night, and he
>said that he had the new scenery mesh for Virgina/W.Va.
>installed. I wanted to get that also so I went to
>flightsim.com and found it (where he said it was). It was
>listed for FS2000. Is there any potential problem
>installing this mesh in FS2002? Or are mesh files
>interchangable without updating?
>
>Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com

OK... you talked me into it. I went to the FSGENESIS site and ordered the US mesh scenery.

Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com

Holy cow... I downloaded and installed the 153m mesh from flightsim.com. Man what a difference! I can't wait for the MORE ACCURATE mesh from FSGENESIS. This makes such a huge difference for my neck of the woods. I suppose if you were flying in Florida or Kansas this would be a waste, but in West Virginia it's crucial. My hometown airport (Yeager Airport, CRW, Charleston, WV) is situated on a sliced-off mountaintop near downtown. It's pretty dramatic looking from the air. I honestly never thought I'd see it like this on my home computer. I've been waiting 15 years for this.

Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com

Hi Rick,

You should have the 75m CD by Monday (unless it gets hung up in anthrax quaranteen )). I've had a couple of those that had to reship. If I could trust my wheels I'd deliver it personally, but I'm not sure my ol' beater would make down and back.

Yes, WV is one of my favorite places to fly. Just a short hop from me up here about 150 klicks north northeast of you in (KIDI) Indiana, PA. I often get in the 172 and zip down thataway to relax, with a quick stop at Seven Springs for a $100 hamburger.

We should do a multiplayer trip down and back sometime.

If you ever dust off FS98, you'll probably enjoy WV98. It's a free download at my site.

Justin

Hi Justin,

Been to your site and ordered the CD's and it's a pity you can't download via ADSL

Regards,

James.

Hi James,

Well, if I could find an IHP to give me a gigabyte of hard drive space and a 100 gigabytes of bandwidth a month, it might become feasible.

Justin

Hi Justin

>Well, if I could find an IHP to give me a gigabyte of hard drive space and a 100 gigabytes of bandwidth a month, it might become feasible.
>

<LOL>, no problem my friend. Recieved the CD's today. Now to go and install and fly some

Regards,

James.

Greetings Justin:

>Well, if I could find an IHP to give me a gigabyte of hard
>drive space and a 100 gigabytes of bandwidth a month, it
>might become feasible.

I don't know about "give," but maybe we can work something out.

Ben

Rick,

the mesh you talked about downloading from flightsim.com, was that for a specific area? I tried searching for the 173 mesh and came up short. Maybe I was not looking for the same thing you were?

TD
"TD - Virtual FAA investigators are on line 2, AGAIN!!!"

Hi TD... yes, it's for a specific area... it's for 2 states... Virginia and West Virginia. It's in the FS2000 scenery lib of flightsim.com. I think the filename is VAMESH.ZIP It's extremely good... I can't believe it's a free download. It was put together by somebody named Eddie Denney. In the readme file, he tells about all kinds of problems with FS2000 and explains how to fix the problems, but the problems do not seem to be present in FS2002. At least I have never run across any problems. It just looks 1000% better than the default mesh (in rugged terrain).

Install it and look at Ingalls field in Virgina and Yeager Airport in West Virginia... just 2 examples of some dramatic locations.

Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com

Okay, I have heard of Denney's Mesh projects and nothing but good at that. You are right tho about not believing it is still free; maybe it is because the software is so new, but I have a feeling that the days of the tons of free add-ons for FS98 are not going to be the same days as those for FS2K+2. For good or for bad, the hobbyest seems to have been replaced by the "let's make a buck on this" mindset

"TD - VFAA investigators are on line 2, AGAIN!!!"

HI TD,

Could we change the "Let's make a buck on this"

to

"Let's try to earn a livng on this while giving the customer good value for their purchase."

The former sounds so perjorative, conjuring up images of shady back alley dealers moving some sort of contraband, and let the buyer beware,

while the latter connotates entrepreneurialship and appropriate reward for long hours and hard work, based on prevailing free market forces.

Isn't this idea the very basis of western civilization?

I doubt that there are many payware developers getting rich on their enterprises. Probably earning a modest living at best. The flightsim addon market just isn't broad enough for that. So I don't think many are in it "just for the money" but rather to earn a modest living doing something they love to do.

And why not?

Justin
http://www.fsgenesis.com

>>I doubt that there are many payware developers getting rich on their enterprises. Probably earning a modest living at best. <<

More likely - just defraying expenses.....

***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation***
Cheers, Jerry (N94)

>I doubt that there are many payware developers getting rich on their enterprises<

Certain publishers, who shall remain nameless <G>, maybe.

'Vulcan'
8nm NE of EGCC

>>The former sounds so perjorative, conjuring up images of shady back alley dealers moving some sort of contraband, and let the buyer beware,<<

This could be said about some of the packages offered, certainly my level of satisfaction with products from Abacus has been a bit of a "hit-or-miss" process. Some are great, some come up short and the price asked is a bit more than I think of for hobby tools.

Maybe some are in it to earn a buck to defray costs, I know that the tools like ASD, Design Studio, AF99 and others cost money (god knows, I have the boxes on my shelf to prove that); I know that some are in it to try to get rich (and/or jerks but a certain company with the initials PT probably won't be mentioned) and then there were those out there that were putting some time into a hobby for the altruism and there seems to be a dying-off of those folks in the interim from FS98 to now. Guys like Chuck Dome are still out there doing free-ware, but the number of free-ware or even share-ware priced packages seems to be down relative to full commercial-ware prices, and the demos you see are more along the lines of Cripple-ware rather than just timer-sensitive (how do I know that the features that get unlocked with the purchase of the full unit are as good or better than the little portion I get for free?)

Just my buck's worth of opinion...

TD
"TD - Virtual FAA investigators are on line 2, AGAIN!!!"

Hehe... this isn't exactly a new discussion (free vs. payware)... see my column from 1993 "Commercialization of User-Designed Scenery"... http://www.rickleephoto.com/mwarticles-web.htm

Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com

>>The former sounds so perjorative, conjuring up images of shady back alley dealers moving some sort of contraband, and let the buyer beware,<<

On further consideration, and after reading the article Rick mentioned, I am going to have to go with my initial statement, whether you think it is a pejorative or not. I have done a couple panels and uploaded them; have tweaked a couple plane .air files for folks in the Flightsim and Gamers Forums; and had Kit Spackman help me out with a couple things (and gotten a ton of free advice and tips from the pilots and staff that inhabite those two dens). None of us thought of charging each other for that, and the point I have tried to make is one that was echoed in the article: I paid money for my design tools, I spent money for my listing of all Canadian aerodromes for my modeling of airports in the NWT and northern Alberta/BC/Saskatchewan; I certainly invested time in not only learning how to use new software, but in using it to make better packages. We won't even go into the writing of stories about various fly-ins...

I lamented the loss of people who recognize that the best way for the hobby to grow is have the free exchange of information or at best a minimum charge, say a buck, or volunteering time to a charity, or sending stamps, whatever as a way to make the world a little better place for everyone in it. I was lamenting the loss of the altruism, and in this season above all, the seeming surge in commercialism and all that goes with it in our hobby. If you don't believe or care for my words, that is your choice. I am not going to force you to read my writings,
and I am not going to force you to do anything you don't want to do. By the same token, I can chose to either endorse your position or ignore it, or in a really juvenile moment/mood: deride it like papal authorities derided Copernicus and his beliefs.

The point is pretty simple: you are entitled to your opinion, I have mine and we might have to agree to disagree on this one. The facts are also pretty straight-forward: there has been a surge in the number of payware packages, some worth the money and others not; there has been a decline in the number of free-ware or cheaper shareware packages, again some worth the money and others not.

"TD - Virtual FAA investigators are on line 2, AGAIN!!!"