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Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: "Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-13" 04-10-02, 08:24z  Greetings! As many of you are aware, we've revamped the Flight Rooms and renamed the whole shebang the "VPC Flight Terminal." To help initiate those who've been waiting for us to sort out the system before attempting multiplayer flights here at the VPC, this is the "all's clear" signal. I'll be hosting a Flight Terminal Checkout on Saturday 04-13-02 at 2000z (1pm PT, 4pm ET) in the Flight Terminal. If you've had questions or troubles getting multiplayer flights running, this is a good opportunity to get help and get in a short flight with other VPC pilots. I would like to encourage everyone to download and install Roger Wilco 2.5 (in our downloads area) for this Checkout event, and if possible, to download and install the latest version of FlyNow! from the Flight Terminal (you'll be prompted to download the latest version if you don't already have it when you join a flight), or download it from this link: http://www.flightadventures.com/misc/files/FlyNow!_setup.exe We've greatly simplified (Andy can attest to that!) the process of creating and joining multiplayer flights. Other additions and added features include: - Greater pilot capacity - One click launch - The ability to join flights in progress (no IP memorization required!) - The Flight Terminal will automatically recognize your VPC cookie (you only log on to the VPC once to enjoy all VPC services) - We created dedicated Flight Rooms for specific sims - The whole application is 75% smaller than the last version. Other notes: ========= - Please uninstall any previous version of FlyNow! prior to 3/21/02. The VPC no longer support it. If you're now a VPC Flight Terminal vet and have time, please drop in and lend a hand and/or have a quick flight with us. See you then and we hope to see you in the virtual skies soon! Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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Subject      Author      Message Date     ID      RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... jerryrosie 04-10-02 1    RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-11-02 4         RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... jerryrosie 04-13-02 6              RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-13-02 7   RE: Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04... Emile 04-10-02 2    RE: Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04... Ben Chiu 04-10-02 3   RE: Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04... andor 04-12-02 5   RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... AlanParkinson 04-14-02 8    RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... jerryrosie 04-14-02 9         RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... AlanParkinson 04-14-02 10              RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Vulcan 04-15-02 13                   RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... AlanParkinson 04-15-02 15                   RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... AlanParkinson 04-16-02 27    RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-15-02 11         RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... RickLee 04-15-02 12              RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-15-02 16         RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Vulcan 04-15-02 14              RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-15-02 17                   RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-15-02 18                        RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-16-02 19                             RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-16-02 22                                  RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... vgbaron 04-16-02 25                                       RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-16-02 29                                            RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... vgbaron 04-18-02 39                                            RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Vulcan 04-18-02 41                                  RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-16-02 28                                       RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-17-02 32                                            RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-17-02 33                                                 RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-17-02 34                                                      RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Ben Chiu 04-17-02 36                                                           RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-17-02 37                        RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Vulcan 04-16-02 26              RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Mike_Greenwood 04-16-02 21                   RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-16-02 23                        RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Mike_Greenwood 04-16-02 24                             RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-16-02 30                                  RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Mike_Greenwood 04-17-02 31                                       RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-17-02 35                                            RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Mike_Greenwood 04-17-02 38                                                 RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-18-02 40                                                      RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... Mike_Greenwood 04-18-02 42                                                           RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-... PeteDowson 04-19-02 43

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jerryrosie Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 1. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-13" 04-10-02, 11:46z  > I'll be hosting a Flight Terminal Checkout on Saturday 04-13-02 at 2000z > (1pm PT, 4pm ET) in the Flight Terminal. If you've had questions or > troubles getting multiplayer flights running, this is a good opportunity > to get help and get in a short flight with other VPC pilots. Great News!! Baring any personal emergencies, I'll be there in one of the FS98 rooms. ***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation*** Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial. **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 4. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-13" 04-11-02, 18:44z  >Great News!! Baring any personal emergencies, I'll be >there in one of the FS98 rooms. Thanks, Jerry! Nice to know I won't be flying solo then. See ya in the air! Ben Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jerryrosie Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 6. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-13-02, 14:25z  > Nice to know I won't be flying solo then. > > See ya in the air! Still a "go" at this end. But, since this is my first time with multiplayer I will probably need a lot of 'hand holding'. It also occurs to me that we should be flying, not only the same version of FS, but similar airplanes since it would be difficult for me to keep up with you if you were in a Lear and I was flying an Ultralight . What type of aircraft will we be using on Saturday? ***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation*** Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial. **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 7. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-13-02, 19:08z  Greetings Jerry: > Still a "go" at this end. But, since this is my first time with > multiplayer I will probably need a lot of 'hand holding'. No problem. This is the intent of the event. > It also occurs to me that we should be flying, not only the same version > of FS, but similar airplanes since it would be difficult for me to keep > up with you if you were in a Lear and I was flying an Ultralight . > What type of aircraft will we be using on Saturday? The main purpose of the event is to help everyone become familiar with multiplayer flight using the Flight Terminal and Flight Rooms. So the actual flights will be kept very informal. We can decide what and where we'll be flying then. Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Emile Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 2. "RE: Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-13" 04-10-02, 18:47z  Hi Ben, "I would like to encourage everyone to download and install Roger Wilco 2.5 (in our downloads area) " Where is the downloads area?? Regards Emile EBBR Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 3. "RE: Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04..." 04-10-02, 19:04z  Greetings Emile: > Where is the downloads area?? You can click on the file cabinet on the Main Lobby page (or click File Downloads on the menu there). Hope this helps! Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

andor Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 5. "RE: Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-13" 04-12-02, 05:17z  Couldn,t agree more Ben. Also we should all read the Message Board BEFORE the chat session. Wouldn,t have to ask the when and where etc. Regards, Andy Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AlanParkinson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 8. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-13" 04-14-02, 13:49z  Hi Ben, Thanks for the multiplayer session yesterday - despite all the problems I had, it's really not that difficult is it? Obviously voice is a must, I'm now fairly sure that it was me typing messages in the wrong window that disabled my joystick. I had installed RW about a week previously but couldn't get it to do anything. Is full duplex audio at the same time as running FS expecting too much of a Cyrix 233 cpu? Wouldn't surprise me. Additionally, I can't get anything out of the mic I was trying to use - you'd think in the offices of a pro audio supplier I'd be able to lay my hands on a functioning mic and headphones ... BTW, when I turn off "Auto Spellcheck" in the OLR message window, it still goes ahead and checks the spelling when I hit the Save button. Alan **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jerryrosie Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 9. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-14-02, 18:48z  > Obviously voice is a must, I'm now fairly sure that it was me typing > messages in the wrong window that disabled my joystick. I had installed > RW about a week previously but couldn't get it to do anything. Is full > duplex audio at the same time as running FS expecting too much of a > Cyrix 233 cpu? Wouldn't surprise me. Id look to the audio card more than the cpu. At least that was why I had some problems getting it working at first. New drivers fixed me up with no problem (Running at only 300Mhz) > BTW, when I turn off "Auto Spellcheck" in the OLR message window, it > still goes ahead and checks the spelling when I hit the Save button. I NEED that ! ***Reality - the refuge of those who can't handle simulation*** Cheers, Jerry (N94) 18.8NM W of KMDT on 271.2 radial. **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AlanParkinson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 10. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-14-02, 20:39z  Hi Jerry, > I NEED that ! Well, mo spilling's not purfact, but I do like to do it myself. > Id look to the audio card more than the cpu. At least that was why I had > some problems getting it working at first. New drivers fixed me up with > no problem (Running at only 300Mhz) I seem to remember you mentioning that, but my problem at the moment, I think, is the lack of a suitable or compatible microphone. At work I'm surrounded by very expensive ones but the only one for a soundcard has disappeared - I think the boss has taken it home for his daughter. On the assumption that the computer has enough horse-power, I'll pick up a headset mic shortly, and try again. Alan **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Vulcan Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 13. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 16:09z  Alan, Along with the other replies you got on the mic problem I would just like to confirm the full duplex setting is down to your sound card. I regularly fly with VATSIM and have used a cheap headset/mic that came free with Dragon Dictate some years ago. I recently 'upgraded' to a Sennheiser m@b 30 from the local Maplins shop and to be honest I can detect no difference in quality or performance. The m@b 30 was about £12 I think, certainly not expensive. Cheers Vulcan 8nm NE of EGCC **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AlanParkinson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 15. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 18:43z  Hi Dave, I don't think ENABLING duplex mode would be a problem - there is a check box for that, and I've already ticked it. My worry was that with such a slow cpu, having full duplex would put twice as much data through the cpu at a time, and the frame rate would suffer as a consequence. Something I do a lot of is building PCs specifically for serious multi-track audio use - I am very much aware of how audio can fail when the system is being pushed hard, and I wouldn't want audio to take preference over the simulator. Aargh! don't mention the M word - dreadful place now! Alan **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AlanParkinson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 27. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 18:26z  Hi again, Dave, At work we supply Sennheiser pro gear - I'm surprised you could even get a cable clip for £12. I had a look in their catalogue for that headset, but all I could find was the fully airworthiness approved "Airline Headset" - noise cancelling mic, lightweight, approved by the Joint Airworthiness Authority for use on the real thing. That would certainly make me feel it was as real as it gets, but at £300+ (plus the dreaded VAT), I think I'll give it a miss. Alan **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 11. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 00:54z  Greetings Alan: > Thanks for the multiplayer session yesterday - despite all the problems > I had, it's really not that difficult is it? Nope. Actually (without breaking our arms from patting ourselves on the back), the latest version of the Flight Terminal/Flight Room setup we've developed is very simple and easy to use (much more simpler than even the Zone is for multiplayer flight). We really need to get people to try it out to see for themselves. I think it'll go a long way to relieving the frustration, hassle, and anxiety currently associated with multiplayer flights. Our goal, of course, is to have everyone flying multiplayer on the VPC rather than offline and solo, but we're at another one of those "chicken or the egg" situations--we think that if more people were flying online, the more likely others will stop in to try it. But if no one is flying online, the likelihood of people hanging around or even trying it becomes zero. Therefore, I would like to suggest the following: 1) The overwhelming majority of pilots that visit the VPC flies a sim sometime or another. What I'd like to ask is that when you do fly, please consider starting a flight in the Flight Terminal rather than fly offline alone. Flying in the Flight Terminal will stick you in multiplayer mode, and although you may start the flight alone, if others see you there, they can join your flight at any time. But if you only fly offline, there is no chance of others finding you there. 2) I understand if you're paying for net connection by the minute, flying scheduled flights would be more practical. I also understand how busy life can become, so scheduled flights may be more convenient for planning your time as well. So I would like to suggest that anyone that's up to it, schedule a flight and post it here. If folks have time, I'm sure they'll meet you and join up. In addition to the official VPC Rally's, a few of us fly regularly on Sat nights at 7pm PT (10pm ET). All are welcome to join us. > Obviously voice is a must, I'm now fairly sure that it was me typing > messages in the wrong window that disabled my joystick. I had installed > RW about a week previously but couldn't get it to do anything. Is full > duplex audio at the same time as running FS expecting too much of a > Cyrix 233 cpu? Wouldn't surprise me. It should run OK. The thing that limits full duplex operation is the soundcard, not the CPU. > Additionally, I can't get anything out of the mic I was trying to use - > you'd think in the offices of a pro audio supplier I'd be able to lay my > hands on a functioning mic and headphones ... There's a test/setup mode in RW. If it doesn't work there, it won't work while connected either. Headset/mic combos can be purchased here in the US at shops such as Radio Shack for about $20. You might consider investing in one. Hope to fly with you online again! Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RickLee Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 12. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 15:30z  I just went (Monday morning) to check out the Flight Terminal... I see only "Flight Rooms" in the main menu. You said you were changing the name. I entered the flight rooms and tried to start a session, but I found no instructions. I looked around but couldn't find any instructions anywhere. I don't know if I'm supposed to start FS2002 before starting a session or what. I started a session but nothing seemed to happen. I am on DSL service with an Ethernet router so I assume I'm going to have to go through some hassle to bypass the router. I've done that before but I can't remember how so I'm going to have to figure that out again. How does your system know the IP address? As you said, it would be cool if everybody started an online session when using FS2002, but there's a problem with that. Before FS2002, I used to always go to www.tradeip.com and start a session so that people could join up with me whenever I was flying. However, now, with FS2002 we have the built-in ATC. FS2002 will not allow the user to run an ATC while in multi-player mode, so if I'm going to start an online session, I have to decide not to use ATC. If nobody shows up online, then that makes for a more boring session without ATC running. <sigh> Rick Lee www.rickleephoto.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 16. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 19:43z  Greetings Rick: > I just went (Monday morning) to check out the Flight Terminal... I see > only "Flight Rooms" in the main menu. You said you were changing the > name. I entered the flight rooms and tried to start a session, but I > found no instructions. I looked around but couldn't find any > instructions anywhere. The instructions we have (what little there are, are found in the FAQ's for the VPC). >I don't know if I'm supposed to start FS2002 > before starting a session or what. You sim (FS2K2 in this case) should NOT be started before launching a flight from a Flight Room. > I started a session but nothing seemed to happen. You need to click the Fly Now! button to launch the flight. If there's any problem with your system configuration or the Fly Now! launcher, you'll be prompted with instructions. > I am on DSL service with an Ethernet router so I > assume I'm going to have to go through some hassle to bypass the router. > I've done that before but I can't remember how so I'm going to have to > figure that out again. If you have firewall on your router, we have instructions on which port(s) to open in the FAQ's for FS. > How does your system know the IP address? This is a bit of "VPC magic". The Flight Server picks up the host's IP address and stores it to pass along to anyone that joins the flight after the flight has begun. > As you said, it would be cool if everybody started an online session > when using FS2002, but there's a problem with that. Before FS2002, I > used to always go to www.tradeip.com and start a session so that people > could join up with me whenever I was flying. However, now, with FS2002 > we have the built-in ATC. FS2002 will not allow the user to run an ATC > while in multi-player mode, so if I'm going to start an online session, > I have to decide not to use ATC. If nobody shows up online, then that > makes for a more boring session without ATC running. <sigh> It's that chicken and egg thing again. Speaking as a pilot, CFII, etc., FS's ATC system's quirks really bug me, so my preference is human ATC during multiplayer games. Yes, if no one else shows up for online games, then the whole concept goes out the window and we're all flying alone again. Hope this helps! Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Vulcan Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 14. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 16:09z  Ben, I think I am correct in saying that the flight rooms will only work if the PC which is connected to the flight room is also connected to the 'Net. I do a lot of on line flying with VATSIM and am fortunate enough to have a second PC to assist with on line flying. The main PC runs FS2k2 and the second PC has a 'Net connection and runs SB, RW etc; the FS PC does not have a 'Net connection so I am unable to use the flight rooms unless I install a copy of FS to second PC, which I am not to keen to do. If my above assumption is incorrect I would be delighted to hear it, failing that is there any proposal to allow the flight rooms to connect to the 'Net through a second PC using Pete Dowson's Widefs & FSUIPC? Cheers Vulcan 8nm NE of EGCC **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 17. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 19:43z  Greetings Dave: > I think I am correct in saying that the flight rooms will only work if > the PC which is connected to the flight room is also connected to the > 'Net. I'm not sure what you're saying here exactly, but this I do know. Yes, you need to have a connection to the Internet, however, the system that runs FS only needs to be connected to the network that shares the internet connection (e.g. the FS system does need access to the Internet through the network). > I do a lot of on line flying with VATSIM and am fortunate enough to have > a second PC to assist with on line flying. > The main PC runs FS2k2 and the second PC has a 'Net connection and runs > SB, RW etc; the FS PC does not have a 'Net connection so I am unable to > use the flight rooms unless I install a copy of FS to second PC, which I > am not to keen to do. I'm not sure I understand what you're doing here. You fly with VATSIM, but don't connect via multiplayer to others flying? Do you have Internet connection sharing enabled? > If my above assumption is incorrect I would be delighted to hear it, > failing that is there any proposal to allow the flight rooms to connect > to the 'Net through a second PC using Pete Dowson's Widefs & FSUIPC? Unless you have Internet connection sharing or a DSL router that allows you to access the internet from both of your computers, I don't think it's possible, but I'm sure some of the other guys will chime in. Hope this helps! Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 18. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-15-02, 23:06z  Hi Ben, If I may interject here with a word of clarification, as I think two things are getting mixed up: > I'm not sure I understand what you're doing here. You fly with VATSIM, > but don't connect via multiplayer to others flying? Do you have Internet > connection sharing enabled? With Squawkbox you can run it under WideFS on a separate PC to FS. The FS PC does not need an Internet connection. Squawkbox talks to FS via the FSUIPC interface provided by WideClient, and does its Multiplayer thing for the visual image using Multiplayer across the LAN. Both WideFS and Squawkbox Multiplayer can use IPX/SPX or TCP/IP, at the users choice, though generally the former is much more efficient. Only the Squawkbox PC needs the Internet connection as only it and Roger Wilco are actually talking to the Internet. Doing it this way frees the flying PC to run FS with no slow downs and also allows the Squawkbox and Roger wilco windows to remain visible, if needed, on the other PC. Hope this clarifies the question and helps you answer it! <G> Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 19. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 02:28z  Greetings Pete: Welcome home! > With Squawkbox you can run it under WideFS on a separate PC to FS. The > FS PC does not need an Internet connection. Squawkbox talks to FS via > the FSUIPC interface provided by WideClient, and does its Multiplayer > thing for the visual image using Multiplayer across the LAN. Both WideFS > and Squawkbox Multiplayer can use IPX/SPX or TCP/IP, at the users > choice, though generally the former is much more efficient. OK, thanks the explanation. I haven't messed with Squawkbox for quite a few years, and I'm no expert on Windows' Internet Sharing feature, but I would think that unless Dave is running Internet Sharing or using a router to share his connection, multiplayer flight at the VPC is not possible with his current setup. However, if he can play IP games through his setup, the Flight Rooms here should work. I guess the best test is for him to try it and see if it works. Thanks, Pete! Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 22. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 09:33z  Hi Ben, > Welcome home! Thanks! > OK, thanks the explanation. I haven't messed with Squawkbox for quite a > few years, and I'm no expert on Windows' Internet Sharing feature, but I > would think that unless Dave is running Internet Sharing or using a > router to share his connection, multiplayer flight at the VPC is not > possible with his current setup. Is this because your VPC system uses a module installed into FS, rather than something interfacing through FSUIPC? If it is an external process interfacing through FSUIPC then it should run perfectly well under WideFS, as WideClient reproduces the IPC interface on the second PC. Or is the problem arising because your system uses multiplayer directly linked to the Internet server, unlike Squawkbox which is in fact the MP "Server" for FS and talks to ProController, not a "game zone", across the Internet connection? BTW I notice you are using OLR 3.0.4.0 BETA 2, not 3.0.3.5. BETA 2 as I am. Is this something I missed whilst away? Best, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

vgbaron Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 25. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 15:35z  Pete - PMFJI, I wrote the launcher that we use. It's a simple DirectPlay interface that launches the DirectPlay application (flightsim). Once launched it becomes a peer to peer connection. New players joining are launched with the IP of the host in the peer to peer session. Could this be interfaced through FSUIPC and what are the plus & minus factors of doing that? I'd better look at your documentation more thoroughly<G>. Vic > Is this because your VPC system uses a module installed into FS, rather > than something interfacing through FSUIPC? If it is an external process > interfacing through FSUIPC then it should run perfectly well under > WideFS, as WideClient reproduces the IPC interface on the second PC. > > Or is the problem arising because your system uses multiplayer directly > linked to the Internet server, unlike Squawkbox which is in fact the MP > "Server" for FS and talks to ProController, not a "game zone", across > the Internet connection? **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 29. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 19:33z  Hi Vic, > PMFJI, I wrote the launcher that we use. It's a simple DirectPlay > interface that launches the DirectPlay application (flightsim). Once > launched it becomes a peer to peer connection. New players joining are > launched with the IP of the host in the peer to peer session. Could this > be interfaced through FSUIPC Er, since I don't understand most of that paragraph I think not. But Squawkbox doesn't use the FSUIPC interface for the multiplayer part in any case. It just becomes the Server for FS either locally, on the same PC, or on any other PC on the LAN. For that it uses whatever protocols FS supports -- TCP/IP or IPX/SPX. But FSUIPC and WIDEFS are not involved in any of that. If your system involves an intermediary "peer" which talks to FS's MP module using TCP/IP or IPX/SPX, then it could be run on another PC. If it only launches FS and then disappears then obviously this is all irrelevant. Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

vgbaron Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 39. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-18-02, 00:23z  Hi Pete - > it only launches FS and then disappears then obviously this is all > irrelevant. That's the way it does it. Thanx, Vic **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Vic Baron ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Vulcan Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 41. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-18-02, 15:45z  Pete, Many thanks for for getting involved in this technical chat, most of which was way over my head , at least I can now make sense of the more important bits I have just realised I have a hub lurking around somewhere so with luck I will have a play with it next week and see what I can get to work. Thanks to Ben, Mike & Vic for 'chipping in'. Vulcan 8nm NE of EGCC **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 28. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 19:17z  Hi Pete: > Is this because your VPC system uses a module installed into FS, rather > than something interfacing through FSUIPC? If it is an external process > interfacing through FSUIPC then it should run perfectly well under > WideFS, as WideClient reproduces the IPC interface on the second PC. > > Or is the problem arising because your system uses multiplayer directly > linked to the Internet server, unlike Squawkbox which is in fact the MP > "Server" for FS and talks to ProController, not a "game zone", across > the Internet connection? I see Vic jumped in here and saved my bacon. More along these lines, I recall joining through Squawkbox and it had many steps involved. One of the things we've discussed as a possible future project is creating a one-step launcher for the whole process. We feel that one of the things that intimidates folks from flying online (Squawkbox included) is it seems too complicated. However, we don't know about what licensing issues there are, and whether we'd be able to run our end product exclusively here at the VPC (we're more than happy to support the traffic), so it's currently more "thinking out loud" than something we're actively pursuing at this point. > BTW I notice you are using OLR 3.0.4.0 BETA 2, not 3.0.3.5. BETA 2 as I > am. Is this something I missed whilst away? I don't think so. Why do you have a newer version than I? You must know someone! We have a new version almost ready to ship (we're just working on the install). Greenie will keep everyone posted. Ben **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 32. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 00:09z  Hi Ben, > > BTW I notice you are using OLR 3.0.4.0 BETA 2, not 3.0.3.5. BETA 2 as I > > am. Is this something I missed whilst away? > > I don't think so. Why do you have a newer version than I? You must know > someone! Er ... how do you work that out? Are the numbers allocated in reverse, so that 3.0.3.5 is later than 3.0.4.0? <G> If there's no 3.0.4.0 how does this number get to be on yours and others signatures, at the ends of your messages? As in: > **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** BETA 2 **** > ++++ Registered to: Ben Chiu ++++ > **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** I'm getting rather confused here. There was talk of an RC1 version before I went on holiday, but perhaps not. > We have a new version almost ready to ship (we're just working on the > install). Greenie will keep everyone posted. Yes, that's what does happen but I have missed these before, so I just wondered. It doesn't matter a lot. I suppose there's little difference between 3.0.3.5 Beta 2 and 3.0.4.0 Beta 2. It's just that Greenie always used to like folks to use the latest Beta so that it would get decently tested. Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 33. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 00:21z  Hi Pete: >Er ... how do you work that out? Are the numbers allocated >in reverse, so that 3.0.3.5 is later than 3.0.4.0? <G> Ack! You're right. I've been doing the Mr. Mom thing all of last week and this week, so the brain is mush... >I'm getting rather confused here. There was talk of an RC1 >version before I went on holiday, but perhaps not. Sorry, my mistake. OK, yes, it's the same one. Still hasn't been released yet, but we're working on it. As you know, manually installing the thing was a real pain, so the installer that we're working on is quite complicated. Our hope it to try and make the installation as trouble-free as possible to try and cut down on as many install-related tech support issues as possible. >Yes, that's what does happen but I have missed these >before, so I just wondered. It doesn't matter a lot. I >suppose there's little difference between 3.0.3.5 Beta 2 >and 3.0.4.0 Beta 2. It's just that Greenie always used to >like folks to use the latest Beta so that it would get >decently tested. Rgr. This version I'm using wasn't really a release, but only to test some internal stuff like the registration codes. RC1 is still slated as the next release. That said, you will need a regi code for it. You should have received your regi code for the next version (I think they were all sent to everyone's FA accounts) already. Please let me know if you didn't get one. Best! Ben Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 34. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 09:06z  Hi Ben, > Sorry, my mistake. OK, yes, it's the same one. Still hasn't been > released yet, but we're working on it. Ack. > That said, you will need a regi code for it. You > should have received your regi code for the next version (I think they > were all sent to everyone's FA accounts) already. Please let me know if > you didn't get one. Nak -- no regi code received here. Best, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 36. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 18:31z  Hi Pete: >Nak -- no regi code received here. I just sent your code to your millhays account. Please let me know if you don't get it. On that note, if any Crew has not received their code (and only if you plan on running the OLR), please drop me an email. Thanks! Ben Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 37. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 23:40z  Hi Ben, > I just sent your code to your millhays account. Please let me know if > you don't get it. Got it. Don't know what to do with it yet, but it's here. <G> Thanks, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Vulcan Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 26. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 18:25z  Pete, Thanks for explaining it far better than I could/did Ben, When I get chance I will try ICS although like Pete I run Win98SE and I remember Pete saying (probably in the old FBO) that he had problems with it. Greenie. I agree router is the way to go but with only the 2 PCs I am reluctant to spalsh out on one, I can think of other things to spend money on and we are talking UK prices here, not US ones Rgds 'Vulcan' 8nm NE of EGCC Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 21. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 05:05z  Hi Vulcan, >>The main PC runs FS2k2 and the second PC has a 'Net connection and runs SB, RW etc; the FS PC does not have a 'Net connection so I am unable to use the flight rooms unless I install a copy of FS to second PC, which I am not to keen to do.<< That setup will work fine as long as the 2nd PC is using ICS (internet connection sharing), and the main PC accesses it. Honestly, there's really no reason not to use the ICS feature with your setup, and it'll actually open a whole new FS world for you (flight rooms as an example). Sure, accessing the 'net on the main PC *may* slow things down a tad, but not as bad has having the 2nd PC acting as the ICS host *and* running FS. On my setup at home, I have a P4 1.4g as an ICS host (which would be your 2nd PC), and successfully connect to the flight rooms from a client PC on the network which is only a P-3 700, and see no discernable difference in performance. If you're not using a router or ICS, then, "try it, you'll like it!" <g> If you need a hand setting it up, give me a shout, it's really a snap. --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Mike Greenwood ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 23. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 09:33z  Hi Mike, > That setup will work fine as long as the 2nd PC is using ICS (internet > connection sharing), and the main PC accesses it. Honestly, there's > really no reason not to use the ICS feature with your setup I tried the MS ICS facility several times, and it *never* worked properly for me. It was a real pain. I don't know if it's just because I'm using Win98SE throughout, or what. I even tried a third party program (in fact it may have been you that recommended it to me, on FSForum, a while back), and that worked better, but was prone to locking up my systems several timers a day, even when not being used. Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 24. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 15:09z  Hi Pete, << I don't know if it's just because I'm using Win98SE throughout, or what. I even tried a third party program (in fact it may have been you that recommended it to me, on FSForum, a while back), and that worked better, but was prone to locking up my systems several timers a day, even when not being used.<< Unfortunately, the ICS facility with 98SE is a pain to set up I agree Sygate is the program I recommended, and had always worked fine for me. I do recall you having problems though. With Me or XP however, ICS is a snap to set up and use. I certainly recommend the latter and not the former An even better solution now is a router to share the connection. They've come way down in price (I just purchased one for my office), but they're really geared toward broadband connections. There are some models though, that can use an external modem as a backup, and that can even be used if you only have a dial-up connection with no broadband available. This is a much better setup than ICS as the main PC does not always have to be on, and you are provided with hardware for a firewall. --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Mike Greenwood ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 30. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-16-02, 19:33z  Hi Mike, > Unfortunately, the ICS facility with 98SE is a pain to set up I agree Well, I just followed all the instructions, but after that the only program that would work through it was Internet Explorer, and even then it was slow and often failed to get through to websites which were normally a doddle. Maybe it wasn't set up right, but after many days of trying and much loss of hair (which I could ill afford! <G>), I gave up. > Sygate is the program I recommended, and had always worked fine for me. Yes, SyGate. that's the one. It worked a lot better than MS's ICS, but on all the clients on which I installed it I experienced occasional but annoying lockups, even when ICS wasn't actually in use. It took me a lot of tests to determine it was SyGate doing it, and after removing it all was fine again. I am looking at a LAN router. I'm currently ISDN and have found a "Billion" make router, which supports ADSL (through a separate LAN-capable modem at extra expense) but has ISDN for back-up, so this may leave my options open. The router is £99 (about $140?), so not too expensive. However the first one I got didn't work and is back in the supplier's hands at present. I also want a wireless link on the LAN so I can use my Notebook anywhere in the house, or even in the garden or on the patio. Trouble is the walls in my house are thick and many, so much so that even the wireless extension 'phones have some problems. any suggestions for a good reliable LAN-based wireless system? > I do recall you having problems though. With Me or XP however, ICS is a > snap to set up and use. I certainly recommend the latter and not the > former I won't go near Me with a barge pole! It came on my notebook and after a week of struggling I re-formatted the hard disk and installed 98SE. It's been perfect ever since. Unfortunately I can't afford to go to XP, at least not on any machines on which I want to develop and debug my programs. To upgrade my development tools would cost me more than a new top of the line PC! Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 31. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 00:06z  Hi Pete, >>I also want a wireless link on the LAN so I can use my Notebook anywhere in the house, or even in the garden or on the patio. Trouble is the walls in my house are thick and many, so much so that even the wireless extension 'phones have some problems. any suggestions for a good reliable LAN-based wireless system?<< I use a linksys 802.11b access point with a dlink wireless card in the other PC and laptop. The coverage seems pretty good, and I have no complaints. Like any radio signal, if it passes through metal, you're in for problems. If your house has a stucco exterior (which uses metal lath to secure it to the structure) it will be problematic if you bring the laptop outside. The 802.11 protocol utilizes the 2ghz frequency range, and is far better than the 900mhz that most cordless phones use. Make *sure* you go with 802.11 though and not one of the other (cheaper and slower) protocols. It's the generally accepted standard (for now), and you really can't go wrong. You can kill two birds with one stone by getting a wireless router for your setup. That's what I have at the office. In a nutshell, its a wired hub/router/wireless access point all in one package. We have 3 pcs wired to the network with 4 wireless laptops that all peacefully co-exist on the network all sharing the same adsl connection. >>Unfortunately I can't afford to go to XP, at least not on any machines on which I want to develop and debug my programs. To upgrade my development tools would cost me more than a new top of the line PC!<< That's really too bad. I have nothing but good things to say about XP. It's really Microsoft's best work to date in my opinion. Give me a shout if you need any help. --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Mike Greenwood ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 35. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 09:06z  Hi Mike, > I use a linksys 802.11b access point with a dlink wireless card in the > other PC and laptop. Okay ... for the laptop I can find this in the adverts: Dlink DWL-650 wireless PCMCIA adaptor ..... £81 (about $115) and the LinkSys access point is: LinkSys WAP11, 11Mbps wireless access point .... £152 (about $215) Do those sound right? I notice that both makes do both PCMCIA or PC Cards and access points. Would there be any advantage in sticking to the same make, or not, do you think? BTW how high is your access point in your house? With my remote phones I find a better range from the base station upstairs (our "home" number) than from the base station downstairs, in my office ("work" number), so I assume I'd be best trying to put the access point near the ceiling of my office, or trying to give it an external (to the box) aerial. > Like any radio signal, if it passes through metal, you're in > for problems. If your house has a stucco exterior (which uses metal lath > to secure it to the structure) it will be problematic if you bring the > laptop outside. No, nothing like that. The only metal which might get in the way is all the electric wiring everywhere inside! <G> > The 802.11 protocol utilizes the 2ghz frequency range, > and is far better than the 900mhz that most cordless phones use. Make > *sure* you go with 802.11 though and not one of the other (cheaper and > slower) protocols. Okay. Got you. > You can kill two birds with one stone by > getting a wireless router for your setup. That's what I have at the > office. In a nutshell, its a wired hub/router/wireless access point all > in one package. We have 3 pcs wired to the network with 4 wireless > laptops that all peacefully co-exist on the network all sharing the same > adsl connection. The wireless access point/routers are naturally more expensive than the basic access points, and I would need one that does ISDN (for now) and ADSL some time in the future -- all those I've seen are only one or the other (mostly only ADSL/Cable). The "Billion" router I found does ASDL with ISDN as backup, so it will do me fine and I think would be a bit more flexible for my needs, and is only £99 ($140). As well as that, with a separate Access Point I could site it higher or better if need be without having loads more wires to re-route. > >>Unfortunately I can't afford to go to XP, at least not on any machines > on which I want to develop and debug my programs. To upgrade my > development tools would cost me more than a new top of the line PC!<< > > That's really too bad. I have nothing but good things to say about XP. > It's really Microsoft's best work to date in my opinion. So I hear, though it is VERY fussy about hardware -- as I reported back with the Release Candidate you sent me, it hung 75% of the way through install on two of my machines. I was trying to install it dual boot with Win98SE. That would be acceptable. I could use XP for running, 98SE for developing. However, I also don't like the business of registering with MS. To start with (as per discussion we are having) I've no Internet access on 4 of my 5 PCs, and to cap it all I'm changing the hardware about so much that I'd have to keep re-registering the thing. Thanks for your help. Regards, Pete **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 38. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-17-02, 23:44z  Hi Pete, >>Dlink DWL-650 wireless PCMCIA adaptor ..... £81 (about $115) and the LinkSys access point is: LinkSys WAP11, 11Mbps wireless access point .... £152 (about $215)<< Yup, those are the ones, unfortunately 30% higher in price though >>I notice that both makes do both PCMCIA or PC Cards and access points. Would there be any advantage in sticking to the same make, or not, do you think?<< No advantage that I can see as long as they are all speaking the same lingo (802.11). We have the linksys access point here, one dlink pc card (which is really the DWL-650 stuck in a PCI card adapter), and an addtron PCMCIA for my laptop...no problems. >>BTW how high is your access point in your house? With my remote phones I find a better range from the base station upstairs (our "home" number) than from the base station downstairs, in my office ("work" number), so I assume I'd be best trying to put the access point near the ceiling of my office, or trying to give it an external (to the box) aerial.<< Since it's only a single story house here, not too high. It's mounted on a wall over my desk at a height of about 6.5 ft. I considered an external antenna, but haven't really looked into it (yet). Hehe, if you can get it high enough, you can sell internet access to the neighbors <g>. >>The "Billion" router I found does ASDL with ISDN as backup, so it will do me fine and I think would be a bit more flexible for my needs, and is only £99 ($140).<< Well, if the access point is going to cost £152 and the router £99 (total £251) that's a pricy configuration. I did a quick search and found http://www.acernetxus.com.tw/products/Broadband/wirelessrouter.htm right away. They don't mention price on that unit, but my guess is that it's less than £251 ($330). Shop around, and you might be surprised. >>As well as that, with a separate Access Point I could site it higher or better if need be without having loads more wires to re-route.<< That's true. >>So I hear, though it is VERY fussy about hardware<< Luckily not on my end (and I've installed it on 8 systems now). Sure there were some problems on a couple of machines, but no show stoppers. It's a bummer that you couldn't get it to work. >>However, I also don't like the business of registering with MS. To start with (as per discussion we are having) I've no Internet access on 4 of my 5 PCs, and to cap it all I'm changing the hardware about so much that I'd have to keep re-registering the thing.<< That's my biggest gripe about XP, the damn activation crap! However it seems that at the last minute MS took alot of the teeth out of the activation scheme. I've changed alot of hardware on one machine in particular, and XP hasn't complained yet. >>Thanks for your help.<< You bet! --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Mike Greenwood ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 40. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-18-02, 09:32z  Hi Mike, > Yup, those are the ones, unfortunately 30% higher in price though That's normal here -- they take off the dollar sign and put a pound sign in front instead. Saves doing any calculations and makes more money. > Since it's only a single story house here, not too high. It's mounted on > a wall over my desk at a height of about 6.5 ft. Right. The last WireLess connection I tried (Diamond HomeFree) had no separate Access Point, just a PCI card in my PC (on the floor) and a PC Card in my notebook. That was useless. It would just about reach the next room (with the door open!). Place one normal wall in the way and zilch. Luckily it cost virtually nothing -- in a bin of cheapo stuff for clearance at my local PC World. I assume that if I could have stuck my PC on the ceiling it might work better,! <G> > Well, if the access point is going to cost £152 and the router £99 > (total £251) that's a pricy configuration. I did a quick search and > found http://www.acernetxus.com.tw/products/Broadband/wirelessrouter.htm > right away. Yes, I found mention of some but none in any UK suppliers lists with both ADSL and ISDN. Even the ADSL wireless routers are around £200 cheapest in any case (and some are a *lot* more!). I think you have a lot more choice over there, and of course the pricing is more competitive. Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 42. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-18-02, 23:53z  >>That's normal here -- they take off the dollar sign and put a pound sign in front instead. Saves doing any calculations and makes more money.<< Yeah, that really sux >>in a bin of cheapo stuff for clearance at my local PC World.<< LOL, there's a reason for that I guess >>Yes, I found mention of some but none in any UK suppliers lists with both ADSL and ISDN<< Have you considered international shipping? Go to www.pricewatch.com and see what you can find, then check the retailer to see if they will ship to the UK. My guess is that even with the shipping and duty, you'd still probably do better. I just checked www.outpost.com and read this: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Through Airborne International or DHL, we quickly ship international orders just about anywhere in the world for very reasonable rates. Outpost.com ships product internationally via Airborne International 48-72 hours plus additional time for local customs clearance. Airborne International shipments weighing more than 70 lbs. will ship as freight and not express. The service commitment is usually 3-4 business days longer than express. Unfortunately, we cannot ship international orders via U.S. Mail. Delivery time depends on product availability and shipping address. Orders shipped to an address different from the billing address will be delayed for verification (usually one extra day). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= That's the online portal of Fry's electronics which is a huge electronics retailer in this area. I'm not sure if they have what you're looking for, but check them out anyway. Good luck! --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.4.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Mike Greenwood ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PeteDowson Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 43. "RE:Flight Terminal Checkout Sat 04-..." 04-19-02, 10:44z  Hi Mike, > Have you considered international shipping? Done it before for some things, but shipping and duty and vat will add a lot -- just the last two alone add over 20% and that's to the total after shipping and "handling fees" this end. In general it doesn't work out particularly cheap for most things, and then I might need a 110v power adapter, and if it goes wrong at all, forget it. Also, I'd need to be sure the ISDN capabilities of the router matched the type of ISDN provided here in the UK. I don't know if there's lots of variations like with normal 'phone lines, but it's a factor. Anyway, I've searched the usual discount places here and found the WAP-11 at £147 ($205) and the DWL-650 at £68 ($95) which is better. The same place has the DLink Access Point (DWL-1000AP) even cheaper, at £140 ($195) even though it is more expensive than the WAP-11 most other places. Regards, Pete **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 3.0.3.5 **** BETA 2 **** **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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