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"IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-12-02, 21:03z

Hi All
Some of you may recently know that I have managed to fix most of my current internet connection to enable me to play games online with VATSIM (with British Airways Virtual!) Also this means I'll hopefully be able to use FlightAdventures Flight Rooms!
Although ATC personal are getting very annoyed with me because I can only fly VFR - Direct GPS, and I have no idea what they are on about when they ask me to fly to VORs, Holds etc. So I thought it was about time to learn IFR fully!
I headed over to VATSIM-UK.NET and they directed me to all these lovely charts which I can kind of dechipher, does anyone know of any good tutorials for absolute newbies to IFR, SIDs, STARs, Holding etc, (I have only actually had 2 hours of real life VOR training, and then I had to stop flying! ).
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Ben Chiu

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1. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-12-02, 22:54z

> I headed over to VATSIM-UK.NET and they directed me to all these lovely
> charts which I can kind of dechipher, does anyone know of any good
> tutorials for absolute newbies to IFR, SIDs, STARs, Holding etc, (I have
> only actually had 2 hours of real life VOR training, and then I had to
> stop flying! ).
Greetings Sam:
To follow Jerry's lead, I have two books on the subject. One covers it all, while the second just contains complete IFR flights that end in CATI ILS, CATIII ILS, LOC BC, and DME ARC approaches. The first is Instrument Flight Techniques with FS98. Although the title (which I fought to change) suggest it'll only work with FS98, the concepts, tutorials and questions used in it are not FS version specific.
The second is my FS2K Official Strategies and Secrets book (again, the flight information is not FS version specific despite the title). I included a bunch of approach plates and en route charts to use with the tutorials, but I don't get into the nitty gritty stuff that IFTw/FS98 does. The concept behind FS2K2 is it's assumed the reader has some of the IFR basics already.
As for learning VOR's, you might try playing with our VOR/NDB training app in the VPC Ground School. It does a wonderful job of helping you visualize how to work with NAVAIDs.
Hope this helps!
Ben

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4. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-13-02, 07:15z

Hi,
This link can be of interest
http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/index.htm
It did help me to understand BUT there is a BIG difference between the theory and the REAL thing
Give it a try and keep us informed
Emile
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Madape

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5. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-13-02, 14:25z

Hi Emile
Thanks for the link, I'll give it a good read
Cheers
Sam Harvey
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Ben Chiu

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2. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-12-02, 23:04z

Hi again, Sam:
Here's a link that I recently ran across and forgot to mention:
http://www.jeppesen.com/wlcs/index.jsp?section=resources&content=publications_aopa.jsp
The articles are a bit too obtuse for my tastes (my eyes glaze over when I try to read some of that stuff), but they do cover every little thing about reading Jeppesen products. It's a free alternative to a book, so you might want to check it out.
Another source is Rod Machado told me a few months ago that he was working on a new IFR Survival Guide. You might check that out too.
Ben

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Madape

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3. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-13-02, 02:03z

Hiyas Ben
Thanks for the info on your book I am definitly interested in purchasing the FS98 IFR one! Will look into it!
Cheers
Sam Harvey
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Guido_Ostkamp

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6. "RE: IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-13-02, 17:10z

Hi Sam,
> does anyone know of any good tutorials for absolute newbies to IFR,
> SIDs, STARs, Holding etc, (I have only actually had 2 hours of real
> life VOR training, and then I had to stop flying! ).
have you already read through the ground school books that came with
FS2002? It's in the directory fs2002\help\gschool.pdf on the drive where
your FS2002 is installed.
They have sections about VOR and ILS. Maybe not very much stuff, but
something to begin with.
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andrewluck

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7. "RE: IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-13-02, 20:46z

A very good free guide is available on Avsim. Written by an EMB-120 First Officer, it's called flyingifr.zip and it's in the FS98 Misc library. I have it printed out and on the bookshelf.
Andrew Luck
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Mike_Greenwood

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8. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs etc!"
03-13-02, 23:54z

Hi Sam,
I finally found this page that you need to look at. Go to http://www.relia.net/~george/aviation/sim/ for a hands on visual guide to vor navigation. This is an outstanding java applet.

--Greenie
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Ben Chiu

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9. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-14-02, 02:36z

> Go to
> http://www.relia.net/~george/aviation/sim/ for a hands on visual guide
> to vor navigation. This is an outstanding java applet.
It looks exactly like the one we have in our Ground School section, Mike.
Ben

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Mike_Greenwood

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10. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-14-02, 03:45z

>>It looks exactly like the one we have in our Ground School section,
Mike. <<
Damn, the similarity is remarkable!! Right down to the author as well! <g> I suppose I shoulda known that, but even for a staffer, this site is huge!

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Madape

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11. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-14-02, 12:07z

Hey Guys
Thanks for all the responses, I will be checking them all out today, I was messing around with the VOR trainer last night and found it a fun and interesting app to try and work out where the plane was with the random "Get Lost" feature, although I still need alot of practise at it!
Cheers
Sam Harvey
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Ben Chiu

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12. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-14-02, 20:52z

> I was messing around with the VOR trainer last night and found it a fun
> and interesting app to try and work out where the plane was with the
> random "Get Lost" feature, although I still need alot of practise at it!
Greetings Sam:
Yep, the NAVAID trainer is a really useful tool. I wish it existed when I was learning radio navigation.
I wasn't planning on holding ground school classes (which are logable incidentally and upon completion, I can sign you off to take your written exam although only for the US exam) until we sorted out the other issues we have here (OLR, and Flight Rooms -- Aircraft Sales will be online in a few days!), but if you have any specific questions about any of this stuff, please let me know.

Ben

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Madape

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14. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-15-02, 01:51z

Hi Ben!
> I wasn't planning on holding ground school classes (which are logable
> incidentally and upon completion, I can sign you off to take your
> written exam although only for the US exam) until we sorted out the
> other issues we have here (OLR, and Flight Rooms -- Aircraft Sales will
> be online in a few days!), but if you have any specific questions about
> any of this stuff, please let me know.
When Ground school starts you can bet your bottom dollar I'll sign up! I have missed flying sooo much since I had to give it up in October 2000 (5 hours off my PPL ), and it seems to be infectious I've got nearly everybody in my flat using/playing it, we all were on VATSIM earlier, flying for British Airways virtual, it was excellent, even though my mate Steves Left Gear collapsed on the runway of a questionable approach to Zurich!
Thanks Again
Sam Harvey
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Vulcan

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13. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-14-02, 22:15z

Hi Sam,
2 hrs real world flying...that's 2 hrs more than me :-)
If that IFR training aid here is the one I think it is, it is a great help to visualise where you are in relation to the NAVAIDs.
A couple of links to free tutorials.
www.avsim.com and click on the 'The AER' at the top of the page.
And a shameless plug for the VA I have just started flying for <G>
http://avsim.com/geoffschool/
That is a link from Britannic VA http://britannia.esmartweb.com/crew_centre.htm, the CEO wrote the tutorials.
Hope they help.
Vulcan
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Madape

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15. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-15-02, 01:51z

Hiyas Vulcan
> 2 hrs real world flying...that's 2 hrs more than me :-)
Well I've actually logged... *looks at logbook*... around 36 Hours (6 of those Solo), I was quite close to my licence just had exams, and a couple of skills tests to do, but I was falling behind at college, my money was running out, so I had to make the decision to stop, I hated it!
> A couple of links to free tutorials.
> www.avsim.com and click on the 'The AER' at the top of the page.
> And a shameless plug for the VA I have just started flying for <G>
> http://avsim.com/geoffschool/
Thanks much appreciated! My printers gonna be so over loaded tomorrow printing this stuff out I've just joined British Airways Virtual, whats your callsign on VATSIM? Mines BAW574, also look out for my flat mate Ben BAW608, and Steve BAW757.
If you fancy a flight any time just drop us an e-mail or post on the Message Board!
Cheers
Sam Harvey
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andrewluck

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16. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-18-02, 17:54z

Sam
Saw your flight on radar last night heading up from Spain. I was flying a 777 from Glasgow to Stanstead (BAW550). Went really well, ATC on voice all the way. Just forgot to use the Heavy suffix on my callsign:-)
Andrew Luck
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Madape

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18. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-18-02, 23:06z

Hey niceon.
I'll add your number to my friends list
Sam Harvey
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andrewluck

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20. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-19-02, 21:36z

>>I'll add your number to my friends list
Woahhh!!! Someone's friend:- must mark the calendar with a red pen :-)

Andrew Luck
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Vulcan

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17. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-18-02, 22:14z

>whats your callsign on VATSIM?
I'm still Pilot On Training until I get my 20 hrs in and I am NOT logging onto VATSIM with a callsign of POTxx <VBG>
I am still debating whether to join BAV or not, may be a bit later on.
BTW BAW608 isn't that famous Ben Alexander-Brown is it?

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Madape

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19. "RE:IFR Flying, SIDs, STARs, VORs et..."
03-18-02, 23:10z

Hi Vulcan
>I am still debating whether to join BAV or not, may be a >bit later on.
Vulcan if you join be sure to tell me your callsign
>BTW BAW608 isn't that famous Ben Alexander-Brown is it?
No, fraid not on the Ben Alexander-Brown bit, his second name is Roberts.
Sam Harvey
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