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"Landing a Pitts"
06-13-02, 11:51z 

This is a follow-up to a thread on the old board about learning to land a Pitts.

I've just returned from a week of "land-a-Pitts" training with guru Budd Davisson. After 14.2 hours and around 160 landings, I think I was starting to get this landing-a-Pitts thing.

We had about four hours of ground school on the first day. Budd described the "standard" Pitts approach and landing that he teaches. The approach is based on the fact that the visibility straight ahead and down is pretty bad in a Pitts, so you need to keep the runway off to one side and visible until you are low enough to see the edges (maybe 20 feet AGL or so). Budd had me pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, and fly basically a continuous downwind-to-the-runway 180 degree turn, with a short break in the middle (not even enough to really call it "base") to check for traffic. There is also a lot of slipping, and turning slips, involved here, because the attitude in the slip makes for better visibility also.

Budd explained that the Pitts is a very honest (some might say brutally honest) airplane, and it rewards you for three things: coordination, precision, and smoothness. And I can tell you from personal experience that it punishes you for messing up on those counts, too. Forget to keep the ball centered when you pull the power on left downwind, and the nose wanders 15 degrees right, leaving you slow and too far out. Let the nose drop for two seconds on that steep "base" turn, and you're 10 mph fast. Yank your nose up when coming out of the slip on 100-foot final, and you get 5 mph slow at the roundout, and primed for a slam-in carrier landing.

We flew two "hops" each day, one at around 9:00AM, and the other between 3:00 and 5:00PM. For the first day's hops, I sat in the front, but I moved to the better visibility of the back seat after that. On our first flight, we took a few minutes for air work- Dutch rolls and a couple of stalls. I was suprised to find that the airplane is quite controllable when you hold it in a stalled condition. Budd had me turning with the power off, and the stick in my lap, as fully stalled as it'll get at 1G, with rudder and aileron. Because the upper and lower wings are designed to be stalled to a different degree, the lower ailerons are still somewhat effective. But I think it would not have been a good thing if I'd let the turns get uncoordinated.

After this brief intro to the airplane, we began the landing work in earnest. The first day was almost all "bounce-and-goes" (literally), but we did mostly full-stops after that. As the week progressed, my proficiency improved, along with my comfort level. I was starting to catch up to the airplane, finally.

Then, on Wednesday afternoon (the 6th hop), Budd decided we should start working our way down to the size of the runway I'd be operating from back home (1981 x 50 feet). Luckily, that runway happens to be the place in NJ where Budd taught for many years before moving out to Phoenix, and he knows the local conditions very well. We began doing all our takeoffs using only the left half of the runway.

Starting on Thursday morning, and from then on, we would also be landing on the left half, and the first 2000 feet, of the runway. The bar was now raised well above my head, and I felt like I was falling behind the airplane all over again. But I also gradually began to see little things I'd never noticed in flying before, like the tiny tradeoff among aileron, rudder, and elevator as you increase or decrease the slip. Or the way the airplane can maintain a slight right aileron slip with no rudder at all.

By my last hop, in the Saturday afternoon wind, I felt like I was catching up to the airplane again. If the wind hadn't been so damned gusty, I might have actually been happy with that last flight. But I felt well prepared to operate in calmer conditions.

All in all, it was a very successful trip, and also a heck of a lot of fun. Budd is a great teacher, along with being an all-around nice guy. I stayed at the bed-and-breakfast Budd and his wife Marlene operate, and their hospitality was also first-rate.

I have a few pictures posted at www.avquiz.com/pittspics/pittspics.html , if you're interested.

Tom P.

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  Subject      Author      Message Date     ID   
  RE: Landing a Pitts DHamblin[Sysop] 06-13-02 1
  RE: Landing a Pitts Ben_Chiu[Admin] 06-14-02 2
   RE: Landing a Pitts TomParsons[Guest] 06-14-02 3
        RE: Landing a Pitts Ben_Chiu[Admin] 06-14-02 4
             RE: Landing a Pitts Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 06-15-02 5
             RE: Landing a Pitts DHamblin[Sysop] 06-15-02 6
                  RE: Landing a Pitts Ben_Chiu[Admin] 06-15-02 7
  RE: Landing a Pitts Patty_Wagstaff[Sysop] 06-16-02 8

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1. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-13-02, 12:15z 

Dave Hamblin
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In this months Plane & Pilot Budd has a nice article on their B&B and how it came to be.

The training sounds like a great investment (and accomplishment). I am a soloed student; your story reminds me of my thoughts when I started flying initially in my friend/CFI's Luscombe. It was a 50' x 3000' runway. The first time I looked down at it on downwind I thought "You want me to put it on that little thing!"

I got a 1 hour Pitts intro in Pompano in 1995, it was quite a ride!

Good luck with future Pitts adventures.

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2. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-14-02, 17:55z 

Greetings Tom:

> I've just returned from a week of "land-a-Pitts" training with guru Budd
> Davisson.

Thanks for the update! Sounds like you had a great time.

Also, thanks for the pictures. If you have others now or in the future, we'd be happy to post them in our GA Adventures Logs. I think that it's important for folks to see that others are flying and having a great fun doing it. All that it really takes for someone to get into the air is the will/desire to do it.

Just out of curiosity, do you already have a taildragger sign off or fly a Pitts elsewhere or plan to in the future? Just wondering why you took the course (I mean over and above flying with Mr. Davisson--which would be a reason in itself).

Thanks again!

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3. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-14-02, 18:33z 

Hi Ben-
>Just out of curiosity, do you already have a taildragger
>sign off or fly a Pitts elsewhere or plan to in the
>future? Just wondering why you took the course (I mean
>over and above flying with Mr. Davisson--which would be a
>reason in itself).
I do have a tailwheel signoff, although I had to rush a bit to get that finished in time to go out to Budd's. The signoff is normally not an absolute necessity before taking Budd's training, but he does prefer that people finish off the basic tailwheel training first. Also, it's better to learn "Tailwheel 101" stuff at $100/hr in a Cub than $235/hr in a Pitts!

My reason for taking this training was to get ready to be a Pitts pilot! Before last week, I had about 2 hours of Pitts time, along with around 10 hours of aerobatics in a few other types, and decided that a Pitts offers the most grins per dollar of any factory-built airplane in the air. So I'm looking to either buy into a partnership in a 2-seater, or get a single-seat Pitts. As I sought advice from experienced Pitts pilots, most of them recommended that I get the following training before soloing: landing training (preferably with Budd Davisson), and spin training (preferably with Bill Finagin).

An interesting thing I've found since I got back from this training is this: most people really, really don't want you trying to land their Pitts, even if you've just received extensive training! I'm having a heck of a time finding someone who will let me keep my newly-developed skills sharpened.

Tom P.

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4. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-14-02, 20:33z 

Greetings again, Tom:

> My reason for taking this training was to get ready to be a Pitts pilot!
> Before last week, I had about 2 hours of Pitts time, along with around
> 10 hours of aerobatics in a few other types, and decided that a Pitts
> offers the most grins per dollar of any factory-built airplane in the
> air.

Ah, OK. Understood.


> So I'm looking to either buy into a partnership in a 2-seater, or
> get a single-seat Pitts.

You know, this brings up another question that I've had for quite a long time. I recall that most aircraft in WWI were single seat taildragger bi-planes. A few years later, someone got the bright idea to stick a second seat in behind the pilot with a gun. I assume the gunner took the second position because he would have better "view" and could protect the vulnerable tail of the aircraft better from there.

My question is why is it that today the pilot occupies the back seat of a two seat bi-plane taildragger. Is it for the better visibility? A weight and balance issue? A little of both or something else?

Thanks again for sharing, Tom!


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5. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-15-02, 03:24z 

Hi Ben,

>>My question is why is it that today the pilot occupies the back seat of
a two seat bi-plane taildragger. Is it for the better visibility? A
weight and balance issue? A little of both or something else?<<

I'm not sure that's always the case. I have about 2 hours of acro in my logbook, but it was in a Citabria...still a tail-dragger. The pilot said that he needed to sit in the front since I wasn't a licensed pilot and didn't want to get "busted" by the owner of the plane. The whole premise of the hop was for me, not him. Anyway, I'd venture to say that the visibility for taxiing is much better from the aft seat, and for general flight, better from the front. However, maybe weight and balance comes into play when you are the sole occupant in a two seater, hence the rear seat is preferable?

Just thinking out loud here.


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6. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-15-02, 13:21z 

Dave Hamblin
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I can say the visibility from the front seat in an S2B Pitts is basically "none", but also for balance it must also be flown solo from the rear.

If you think about it, thats the best "consistent" spot for the pilot (rear). The passenger sits closer to the CG in the front, so has a less effect than a rear seated passenger. If the plane were balanced with a front seated pilot, think of the CG shift when a passenger got behind him. In front, it does shift, but not nearly as much.

Just my two cents of thought. By the way, through my RC airplane hobby I have first hand seen how a plane (doesn't) fly with an aft CG. Quite spectacular.

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7. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-15-02, 21:27z 

Greetings:

> I can say the visibility from the front seat in an S2B Pitts is
> basically "none", but also for balance it must also be flown solo from
> the rear.

Ah, OK. Make sense.

Thanks for the insights, guys!


> Just my two cents of thought. By the way, through my RC airplane hobby I
> have first hand seen how a plane (doesn't) fly with an aft CG. Quite
> spectacular.

I bet! I find the guys that don't preflight their RC models very well and take off with their servos reversed quite spectacular (albeit *very* short) too! ;)

Ben


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8. "RE: Landing a Pitts"
06-16-02, 15:13z 

Tom

I really enjoyed hearing about your Pitts experience with "Jedi Master" Budd Davisson. Budd is one of my favorite people in the world, and no doubt one of the best instructors around. Sounds like you got your money's worth and I hope to see you continue your aerobatic career.

Great pictures too!

Patty

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