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jimh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: "CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 03-21-03, 14:38z  Hi All (especially Bob and Ray), I've just put together a new computer setup, with a clean copy of Fs2002. My trusty old CH Pro Throttle refused to talk to the new system, so I'm the proud owner of a brand new USB yoke, and USB Throttle. Both are working in Fs2002, in as much as they control the aircraft efficiently, after calibration in Fsuipc. The problem arises when I try to use Control Manager to map controls to buttons. I've tried my best to understand, by reading the CM user guide, and have installed Bob's CM Utility, (brilliant little program, so easy to use), read it's guide, and tried to follow the instructions. I must be doing something stupid, as in Fs2002 I'm getting both the new control and the original at the same time. E.g. I can extend the flaps, at the same time as cycling thro' the outside views. I don't fully understand the use of the toolbar buttons:- When do you use the enable mapping button? Am I right in assuming the "Activate Current Map" button downloads the map/instructions to the yoke? If I describe what I've done, maybe someone will be able to see where I am going wrong. 1 Add Yoke, followed by Pro Throttle. 2 Pressed "Enable Mapping". 3 Map X and Y axes for Yoke, using CMFS. 4 Map Z axis for Pro Throttle. 5 Map buttons on Yoke for basic functions. (gear toggle, flaps up/down, brakes, spoilers) I did map buttons 8 and 9 to VIEW_UP and VIEW_DOWN, but could see no result in Fs2002. 6 Saved the map to disk as First stage.map 7 Pressed "Activate Current Map". 8 Pressed "Convert", in CFMS. 9 Browsed to D:\Fs2002\device.cfg 10 Started Fs2002, with above results. Am I right in assuming that, after acrivating the current map, Control Manager can be shut down, and is not needed again before a change of map is required? I'm sorry to have you read all this, but I couldn't make the picture clear in fewer words. Yours hopefully, Jim H. Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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Subject      Author      Message Date     ID      RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... jimh 03-22-03 1    RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... Sticky 03-23-03 2         RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... jimh 03-24-03 3              RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... Sticky 03-24-03 4         RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... jimh 03-25-03 5              RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... Ben_Chiu 03-25-03 6                   RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... jimh 03-26-03 7                        RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... Ben_Chiu 03-26-03 8                   RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... Sticky 04-01-03 10              RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... Sticky 04-01-03 9                   RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ... jimh 04-02-03 11

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jimh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 1. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 03-22-03, 18:16z  Hi Guys, I hope you will forgive me for replying to myself. Last night I was baffled, after trying all I could think of. Today I read some more, and did two things. In Fs2002\devices.cfg, I set all the generic settings to zero, tried Fs2002 again, and found the duplicated actions had disappeared. Progress! I visited the Stickworks, then CH Products, and downloaded Control Manager V2. I ought to have guessed that the software coming out of the box would not be the latest version!! CM2 is a BIG improvement, and the User Guide has, to me, far clearer explanations. Using CM2 and Cmfs, I soon had a Map operating correctly in Fs2002. Thank you Bob, in your absence, for Cmfs. First thing I would be grateful for some help on, is the way to enter non-standard keystrokes? E.g. In Fs2002, to look look down, we press Leftcontrol-Enter. In CM the equivilant Key Names are LCTL and ENT, typed into the "Press Box". I've tried LCTL ENT and lctl ent. Neither works. (I did get the desired result with "EYEPOINT_DOWN") Second is whether switching of Modes is activated only if there are settings in Mode2 or Mode3, and if switching is done by depressing the mini joystick (Button 1 ?) For now I'm happy with the basics in Mode1, but would like Mode2 for Radar Contact V3. Regards, Jim H. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Sticky Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 2. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 03-23-03, 18:46z  Hi Jim, >> Thank you Bob, in your absence, for Cmfs. << You're welcome! >> First thing I would be grateful for some help on, is the way to enter non-standard keystrokes? E.g. In Fs2002, to look look down, we press Leftcontrol-Enter. In CM the equivilant Key Names are LCTL and ENT, typed into the "Press Box". I've tried LCTL ENT and lctl ent. Neither works. << Right. LCTL is seen as an individual keystroke normally. You can use the "HOLD" prefix, e.g. "HOLD LCTL ENT" and they'll both go down at the same time, but the easiest way is to use the Keystroke Recorder. Right-click on the edit box (Normal Action "Press", Normal Action "Release", etc.) where you want to put the characters. The Keytest box will pop up. Next, just type the characters as with the presses and releases in exactly the order that you want them to operate in. Press the left control key, press the enter key, release the enter key, release the left control key. Next, hit "Exit" on the Keystroke Recorder box and it will write the entries into the edit box for you. >> Second is whether switching of Modes is activated only if there are settings in Mode2 or Mode3, and if switching is done by depressing the mini joystick (Button 1 ?) << Yes. Basically, Mode 1 will be used for Mode 2 or Mode 3 entries that are left blank. It's sort of the "default" and you have to give it a Mode 1 entry. You can switch the modes with the mini-joystick, or you can program it with a CMS script to use any button that you want. It depends on what you pick on the "Program Settings" tab. If you don't use the mini-joystick, then the LEDs on the throttle won't track, though. BTW, CM Version 2.1 should be posted shortly, it makes two more axes available on CM Devices, adds a 4th mode that you can use if you use the CMS to switch, and it fixes several bugs that turned up. - Bob The StickWorks http://www.stickworks.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jimh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 3. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 03-24-03, 21:14z  Hi Bob, Thanks for the explanations. I was a bit premature with my last message. I did complete a map file, and check its buttons did the right things in Fs2002, BUT, I didn't move the aircraft off the stand. When, later, the aircraft moved off, it circled to the right no matter what I did. I discovered the rudder was stuck hard over. No amount of rudder trim would shift it. I uninstalled everything, and started over, following CH's instructions to the letter. This time calibrating the Throttle and Yoke in CM2. Same result. I repeated as above, plugging in the USB devices, and calibrating in Fs2002 via Fsuipc. No rudder problems! I used Cmfs to edit devices.cfg and Fs2002.cfg. All the buttons did what I wanted with one exception. Button1 on the Yoke (Button00 in Fs), I set to "GEAR_TOGGLE". It wouldn't work, although pressing "g" on the keyboard worked fine. I set key repeat to 1, to 0, and deleted it altogether. No go! At this stage I could taxi and fly perfectly, with a centered rudder. Next I made a Direct Map, and downloaded it. (I had made a combined one before). Into Fs2002, and the b****y rudder was stuck over to the left this time!!!! I'm completely beaten now, after spending hours on it. I do hate to be beaten!!! This new CH combo has such potential power, but if I can't find what's wrong I'm never going to be able to use it. I hope you can suggest something positive. Best wishes, Jim Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Sticky Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 4. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 03-24-03, 23:40z  Hi Jim, Okay. If you made a direct map and didn't set it up with CMFS, then you're seeing default assignments to the CM Devices. In particular, either the prop or the mixture control, I can't recall which, has been assigned the rudder and it's hard left or right depending on whether the lever is forward or back. Also watch the sensitivities, FS will tend to set them down to 0% and that can cause things to go all the way left or right. Anyway, check in the FS assignments for whichever CM Device is associated with the yoke and see if you don't have rudder assigned there somewhere. - Bob The StickWorks http://www.stickworks.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jimh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 5. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 03-25-03, 22:02z  Hi Bob, Thanks a million! You were dead right. The prop lever WAS controlling the rudder. I edited the .cfg file, made a new map with help from CMFS, setting the axis of each of the Yoke's levers to None, and converted it with CMFS. I've been up for a flight, and landed without incident, all commands working as planned, no conflicts. Success at last, thanks to you!!! At the moment I have a new setup for Fs2002, with three monitors for a Wideview system. Fs2002 is a clean install. Usually I fly with FsMeteo (no keystrokes req'd), FsNav, Radar Contact, and Flight Deck Companion. Can you give me an opinion as to what is better? Two Modes, the second for keystrokes required for addons. A single Mode with a lot of shifted button settings. Does a shift command require the shift button to be pressed before each individual button? If so does it require to be held down, as in keypresses? Can I come back to you later, for some advice as to how best to use the three levers on the Yoke? I do almost all my flying on Jets, and with the Pro Throttle, I have little need of their original purpose. Best wishes, Jim Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 6. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ..." 03-25-03, 23:32z  Greetings Jim: > At the moment I have a new setup for Fs2002, with three monitors for a > Wideview system. Send us some pix! > Can I come back to you later, for some advice as to how best to use the > three levers on the Yoke? I do almost all my flying on Jets, and with > the Pro Throttle, I have little need of their original purpose. I don't know if this is possible, but perhaps you can have one as power, a second as either flaps or fuel cutoff, and the third for spoilers. Bob? Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.80- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jimh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 7. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ..." 03-26-03, 08:34z  Hi Ben, If I can get access to a digital camera, I will. I'm a complete newbie with Wideview, and am just starting to edit individual aircraft to fly with the system. I might be able to add a fourth monitor, a 14" above the main 21", for FsNav's moving map, etc. It's really amazing to fly with, but scarcely a home cockpit! Meanwhile, I'm delighted, and greatly relieved, to have got my new CH USB Yoke and Throttle working properly, all thanks to Bob. Without him, via this Forum, I doubt if I could have got there at all. I feel CH's hardware is excellent, but their software is far too difficult to master from scratch! It certainly didn't work straight out of the box for me. Still, I'm now a happy bunny! Regards, Jim Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 8. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ..." 03-26-03, 19:05z  Greetings Jim: > If I can get access to a digital camera, I will. I'm a complete newbie > with Wideview, and am just starting to edit individual aircraft to fly > with the system. > > I might be able to add a fourth monitor, a 14" above the main 21", for > FsNav's moving map, etc. It's really amazing to fly with, but scarcely a > home cockpit! It certainly sounds like more than what I've got. When ever you're ready and able please send us a picture. No rush. Best! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.80- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Sticky Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 10. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - ..." 04-01-03, 21:22z  Hi Ben, >> I don't know if this is possible, but perhaps you can have one as power, a second as either flaps or fuel cutoff, and the third for spoilers. Bob? << Well, there do seem to be settings for flaps and spoilers at least. You should pretty much be able to set them to anything on the "Axes" tab in CMFS, the commands that end in "_SET". Fuel selector seems to be a button, though. With the CMS scripting you could put together a quick script and just check the value of the axis and momentarily close a CMS button or two if it had moved above or below 128. I'm not the real expert on how these things are used. To do much of this, the thing to do is to pick up Pete Dowson's FS2002 Controls file at http://www.schiratti.com, that's the bible on what does and doesn't work. - Bob The StickWorks http://www.stickworks.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Sticky Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 9. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 04-01-03, 21:18z  Hi Jim, >> Thanks a million! << You're welcome, Jim! I'm glad it was some help! >> Can you give me an opinion as to what is better? Two Modes, the second for keystrokes required for addons. A single Mode with a lot of shifted button settings. << No<g>. Mostly I've seen the guys use shift for functions that perhaps aren't used very often but need to be available quickly, for shifting views from level to up 45 degrees, or for the inverse of a function, e.g. button 1 clicks the gear down, button 1 shifted clicks it back up. Modes seem to get used more often for different segments of a flight, takeoff, normal flight, and landing perhaps. I've mainly talked with combat sim guys over the years, they tend use them for things like air-to-air mode, air-to-ground mode, that sort of thing. It's mostly just a matter of what works best for you and the way you fly. >> Does a shift command require the shift button to be pressed before each individual button? If so does it require to be held down, as in keypresses? << It just needs to be down, it's a bit like a temporary change in Mode. It's a bit different depending on whether you're shifting characters or shifting DX buttons, though. If it's characters, say normal press is "a" and shifted press is "b", the "a" or "b" will be sent depending on whether the shift button is down when the programmed button is pressed. If you hold the programmed button down and change the state of the shift button, nothing will happen. On the other hand, if you've programmed it to activate CM Device 1, Button 1 normally, and CM Device 1, Button 2 shifted, the buttons will track the shift button, e.g. if you have the shift down and then hold the programmed button, CM Device 1, Button 2 will activate. If you then keep the programmed button down and release the shift button, CM Device 1 Button 2 will deactivate and Button 1 will activate. It can be a little confusing if you're using a lot of shifted DX buttons like you might in Flight Sim since, if you've got more than one button down and click the shift, any shift states programmed for any of the "down" buttons are going to change. It's best to only do one thing at a time if you're using the shifted DX devices. >> Can I come back to you later, for some advice as to how best to use the three levers on the Yoke? I do almost all my flying on Jets, and with the Pro Throttle, I have little need of their original purpose. << Sure, ask away. I'm really more an authority on the Control Manager than Flight Sim itself, but I'm always happy to help if I can. Anyway, I'm glad to hear you got it up and running! Regards, - Bob The StickWorks http://www.stickworks.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jimh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 11. "RE: CH USB Yoke and Pro Throttle - Help!" 04-02-03, 19:43z  Hi Bob, Thanks for the detailed explanation. I must say the versatility of all this is pretty confusing at first. I'll go ahead with a few experiments. Cheers, Jim Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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